What do you know?

Referees are usually taught to face the ball while setting the wall. (Otherwise, unscrupulous players have been known to advance the ball a few yards forward as the referee backs the defense up. Quite comical to watch from the sidelines!) If he wasn't watching, it was his mistake, but the ARs should have been able to help with whether the kick was properly taken. So it wouldn't necessarily have nullified the goal.

On the other hand, if ND had asked for ten yards, then what we call a "ceremonial restart" is required. (Gotta love some of the terms!) An open question is "Who asks for 10 yards?" If the player positioned over the ball asks, then it's obvious. But sometimes the coach will be yelling for 10 yards from the technical area or one of the defenders 40 yards away will shout it out. If the players involved (on both teams) ignore the coach or defender, then a quick restart is usually fine. But if such a request from off the ball misleads the defenders into thinking that play is stopped, then in the interest of fair play the referee should (I think, though this isn't in the laws) force a stoppage. This easily could have happened in this situation, and if the story about the referee apologizing is true, then something similar probably occurred.

Once a ref starts getting involved with direction of the game, something like moving back the line, an Offensive player has lost the quick start opportunity. until the ref signals he's ready.

It's considered a delay tactic and a possible yellow card offense. As I say, I saw it called that way in the World Cup (score and all)

Stoney said it was used as an example of how NOT to ref in referee school, remember?

I've played for 20 years and once that whistle blows and the hand isn't up, typically the attacking team has to wait for a whistle to blow again before they can attack. That said quick restarts do happen but are generally frowned upon (similar to Christiano Ronaldo's PK ruse of starting his run, stuttering or stopping right before and then kicking... although technically you can card someone for that, I've seen that happen) I've fell subject to one of those quick restarts on several occasions, but thankfully we had some pretty phenomenal goalkeepers who were able to handle it. Also typically in that situation the defending team will encroach on the 10 yards on purpose just to buy the rest of the defense some time before the kick is taken, although this can be a cautionable offense. Typically it all comes down to the referees discretion, allowing both teams to properly set up... but from what I know it's not absolutely required... but as was mentioned, once the ref is involved, the play shouldn't start until they allow it to...

And I'll let my good friends at FIFA explain the rest

http://www.fifa.com/mm/document/afdeveloping/refereeing/law_13_free_kicks_en_47373.pdfhttp://www.fifa.com/mm/document/afdeveloping/refereeing/law_13_free_kicks_en_47373.pdf

Ceremonial restart! Great term.

Clearly you've got the rules down pat. And maybe I would have a different opinion of it if I were on the field. But the way the TV coverage showed it... it just looked SO bad. They were showing Erin Fahey moving the wall, when all of a sudden the ball was in the net and no one knew what happened. Then they showed the ref looking all wide-eyed and looking like he was going to throw up. And then they showed all the ND people celebrating and the UP players stunned. And the announcers had no idea what happened either. So package all of that with 1,000 angry Pilot fans in BC Aud... it's no surprise why this game still rubs us pretty dang raw. It's still an open wound!

But I do appreciate you breaking it down. I mean... I think we all (or at least I do) realize that it is open for debate whether or not it should have been allowed.

Still... even if by the rules it should have counted, it would be like winning the World Series with the hidden ball trick. No matter what, it was pretty bush league.

Still bring a tear to the eye. . .

-SciFi

Purplegeezer wrote:

PurplePrideTrumpet wrote: Sorry to whoever it was that made the run, but I do remember the cross, the shot, then Christine putting in the rebound, then us Pilots going nuts.

That was another Kristen. Kristen Moore, this time. That play was just one of the chances the Pilots made for themselves that I was referring to.

That team was also pretty good defensively. I think they only allowed one goal the entire tournament.

Here's one example of when archives don't really do you any good. The Press release that Kristen raced down the sideline after gathering up a long pass from Misaki, then sent it in to Sinc. I remember she stole a lateral/back pass from one Santa Clara player to another.

This time there is a way to tell. You be the judge.




about 3:50 minutes in.


(The main reason I put this up is just to see Clive in Triumph again...)

To add to the quiz nature of this thread:

The Pilots women themselves pulled off a quick restart resulting in a goal, with the ball in about the same starting spot as in the infamous Notre Dame game! What year? Against what team? Where? What Pilot players were involved? Who was the keeper on the other team?

Hint: There are no excuses for any of you missing this!

As an umpire, I will respectfully say that if a runner were caught by the hidden ball trick, it would be his own d@mn fault for walking off the base without knowing where the ball was

And SoreKnees, I don't know how you soccer guys do it--Baseball and softball are hard, but we don't have to run nearly as much, and then only when the ball is hit.

UPSoccerFanatic wrote:To add to the quiz nature of this thread:

The Pilots women themselves pulled off a quick restart resulting in a goal, with the ball in about the same starting spot as in the infamous Notre Dame game! What year? Against what team? Where? What Pilot players were involved? Who was the keeper on the other team?

Hint: There are no excuses for any of you missing this!

If you are talking about Budgies score on a quick restart from Enyeart in the UCLA regular season game last year, you are way off base.

Just good game management

Objectivity is not my long suit

SoreKnees wrote:Referees are usually taught to face the ball while setting the wall. (Otherwise, unscrupulous players have been known to advance the ball a few yards forward as the referee backs the defense up. Quite comical to watch from the sidelines!) If he wasn't watching, it was his mistake, but the ARs should have been able to help with whether the kick was properly taken. So it wouldn't necessarily have nullified the goal.

Not relevant in this case. there were no AR's back then, just linesmen. they weren't allowed to rule on anything but offsides.

As I recall, the Notre Dame situation was a little more complicated than what we have discussed so far. In an earlier game, I think also in the tournament , we all watched with horror as Erin Fahey let an apparently game winning goal by the free kick taker go right by her into the net. Turns out it was an indirect kick and she had known it, so simply let the ball go in. That made it particularly relevant whether the Notre Dame kick was direct or indirect. I remember at the time, I first thought, "Oh, it must have been an indirect kick again." Sadly, however, not the case. (I didn't particularly like Erin's letting the first kick go in. Awfully risky, I thought.)

The Geez is correct, of course, on the Pilots' own quick restart. September 28, 2007, Pilots v UCLA @ UCLA, Enyeart on the quick restart to Budge, past Val Henderson. To tie the game, only to suffer the loss in overtime.

The Pilots also used to pull another deceptive play, on corner kicks. One Pilot would put the ball down, with no one near by, and then give it a little bump with her foot as though someone else was going to take the kick. Another Pilot then would come over, as though she was going to take a corner kick, and just start dribbling towards the goal. The Pilots got away with that for a while, but then the refs started stopping it.

UPSoccerFanatic wrote:The Geez is correct, of course, on the Pilots' own quick restart. September 28, 2007, Pilots v UCLA @ UCLA, Enyeart on the quick restart to Budge, past Val Henderson. To tie the game, only to suffer the loss in overtime.

I remember thinking - Cool! we're on the other end of one of those.

Oh man...Love reading all the blogging...but...it's only getting me all worked up!

Arrgggg.....LET THE SEASON BEGIN ALREADY!!!

Oregon, UCLA, USC, Florida....I can't wait!!

Geezer...while I love the countdown! If you could actually make TIME roll a little faster...I'd be so ever grateful!!!

Got any magic that can take us to warp speed?? My afterburners are not FAST enough!!

GO PILOTS!!!!

Unfortunately, Phantom, I think many of us are starting to get the fever. (I sure have!) Personally, I've been posting alot simply because I've got this nervous energy waiting for the season to get rolling. It's really not that far off - August 23rd this year, Oregon Ducks at Merlo. (Under the bright lights)!!!

I'm really looking forward to seeing the new freshmen class. It may be our best class ever. Certainly up in the top three. We know the three Parade All-Americans are probably going to have great careers. They just have so much international experience that I don't think they will be overly tentative or intimidated.

But I'm just as fascinated about what the other three freshmen are going to bring to the table. I just have this "feeling" that Kassandra McCluskie from AZ is going to be this year's Keelin Winters. I just think she is a real talented athlete and may end up even playing center back. She's tall enough at 5'8". And has been compared to Kari Evans. (If you don't know, that is a very favorable comparison.)

Halley Kreminski is the best soccer player coming out of Idaho this year. She is very highly regarded in that state. And lastly, not sure what to expect from Emma Nelson. I know she has had a couple injuries that have limited her exposure to college scouts. But if the Pilots wanted her on their sqaud, you can bet she is a very good fit for this team.