WCC Expenses Stats
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WCC Expenses Stats
OK everyone... I totally nerded out, fired up Excel, and went to town with the numbers that were just released by the federal government about collegiate athletic expenses, which helps determine Title IX compliance.
http://ope.ed.gov/athletics/index.aspx
(Don't worry... all this data is easily downloadable, so I didn't have to search this stuff out one-by-one.)
Most of the stats are self-explanatory... the "cost per WCC win" stat divides the total basketball expenses from 2005-2009 with the total number of WCC wins, which gives a rough gauge of how WCC teams perform relative to cost.
One strange statistical oddity... Gonzaga's basketball expenses more than doubled to 6.25 million in 2009, and for the life of me I can't figure out why. The only thing I can think of is that Gonzaga altered its reporting and changed what expenses they attribute to men's basketball. Any other guesses?
Whatever the reason, as of right now Gonzaga’s expenses are the 27th highest of ALL Division I schools, and the highest of any school on the West Coast with the exception of UCLA, which ranks 26th overall and whose expenses are only $20,000 more than GU’s. It's easily the highest amount among non-BCS conference schools.
Gonzaga
Total Athletic Expenses 2009 – 18 million
Total Basketball Expenses 2005-2009 – 15.97 million
Average Basketball Expenses 2005-2009 – 3.19 million
Percent increase 2005-2009 – 223%; 58% 2005-2008 (I included the increase to 2008 in case the 2009 number is an aberration/error.)
WCC Wins 2005-2009 – 64
Cost per WCC Win – 249,479
Basketball-only Expenses
2009 – 6.25 million
2008 – 3.05 million
2007 – 2.59 million
2006 – 2.14 million
2005 – 1.94 million
Loyola Marymount
Total Athletic Expenses 2009 – 18.3 million
Total Basketball Expenses 2005-2009 – 9.31 million
Average Basketball Expenses 2005-2009 – 1.86 million
Percent increase 2005-2009 – 60%
WCC Wins 2005-2009 – 24
Cost per WCC Win – 387,928
Basketball-only Expenses
2009 – 2.27 million
2008 – 2.14 million
2007 – 1.82 million
2006 – 1.65 million
2005 – 1.42 million
Pepperdine
Total Athletic Expenses 2009 – 13.7 million
Total Basketball Expenses 2005-2009 – 8.92 million
Average Basketball Expenses 2005-2009 – 1.78 million
Percent increase 2005-2009 – 19%
WCC Wins 2005-2009 – 19
Cost per WCC Win – 469,312
Basketball-only Expenses
2009 – 1.99 million
2008 – 1.86 million
2007 – 1.82 million
2006 – 1.57 million
2005 – 1.68 million
Portland
Total Athletic Expenses 2009 – 10.2 million
Total Basketball Expenses 2005-2009 – 7.74 million
Average Basketball Expenses 2005-2009 – 1.55 million
Percent increase 2005-2009 – (-)5% ; (+)25% from 2006 (UP's 2005 expenses were abnormally high due to buying out Holton's contract.)
WCC Wins 2005-2009 – 31
Cost per WCC Win – 249,745
Basketball-only Expenses
2009 – 1.60 million
2008 – 1.69 million
2007 – 1.49 million
2006 – 1.28 million
2005 – 1.68 million
St. Mary’s
Total Athletic Expenses 2009 – 12.3 million
Total Basketball Expenses 2005-2009 – 8.31 million
Average Basketball Expenses 2005-2009 – 1.66 million
Percent increase 2005-2009 – 69%
WCC Wins 2005-2009 – 49
Cost per WCC Win – 169,615
Basketball-only Expenses
2009 – 2.13 million
2008 – 1.96 million
2007 – 1.56 million
2006 – 1.38 million
2005 – 1.26 million
San Diego
Total Athletic Expenses 2009 – 18.4 million
Total Basketball Expenses 2005-2009 – 10.46 million
Average Basketball Expenses 2005-2009 – 2.09 million
Percent increase 2005-2009 – 48%
WCC Wins 2005-2009 – 32
Cost per WCC Win – 326,766
Basketball-only Expenses
2009 – 2.42 million
2008 – 2.35 million
2007 – 1.98 million
2006 – 2.05 million
2005 – 1.64 million
San Francisco
Total Athletic Expenses 2009 – 13.4 million
Total Basketball Expenses 2005-2009 – 9.36 million
Average Basketball Expenses 2005-2009 – 1.87 million
Percent increase 2005-2009 – 64%
WCC Wins 2005-2009 – 30
Cost per WCC Win – 312,092
Basketball-only Expenses
2009 – 2.29 million
2008 – 2.26 million
2007 – 1.64 million
2006 – 1.79 million
2005 – 1.39 million
Santa Clara
Total Athletic Expenses 2009 – 12.4 million
Total Basketball Expenses 2005-2009 – 8.13 million
Average Basketball Expenses 2005-2009 – 1.63 million
Percent increase 2005-2009 – 37%
WCC Wins 2005-2009 – 31
Cost per WCC Win – 262,234
Basketball-only Expenses
2009 – 1.65 million
2008 – 1.73 million
2007 – 2.03 million
2006 – 1.51 million
2005 – 1.21 million
http://ope.ed.gov/athletics/index.aspx
(Don't worry... all this data is easily downloadable, so I didn't have to search this stuff out one-by-one.)
Most of the stats are self-explanatory... the "cost per WCC win" stat divides the total basketball expenses from 2005-2009 with the total number of WCC wins, which gives a rough gauge of how WCC teams perform relative to cost.
One strange statistical oddity... Gonzaga's basketball expenses more than doubled to 6.25 million in 2009, and for the life of me I can't figure out why. The only thing I can think of is that Gonzaga altered its reporting and changed what expenses they attribute to men's basketball. Any other guesses?
Whatever the reason, as of right now Gonzaga’s expenses are the 27th highest of ALL Division I schools, and the highest of any school on the West Coast with the exception of UCLA, which ranks 26th overall and whose expenses are only $20,000 more than GU’s. It's easily the highest amount among non-BCS conference schools.
Gonzaga
Total Athletic Expenses 2009 – 18 million
Total Basketball Expenses 2005-2009 – 15.97 million
Average Basketball Expenses 2005-2009 – 3.19 million
Percent increase 2005-2009 – 223%; 58% 2005-2008 (I included the increase to 2008 in case the 2009 number is an aberration/error.)
WCC Wins 2005-2009 – 64
Cost per WCC Win – 249,479
Basketball-only Expenses
2009 – 6.25 million
2008 – 3.05 million
2007 – 2.59 million
2006 – 2.14 million
2005 – 1.94 million
Loyola Marymount
Total Athletic Expenses 2009 – 18.3 million
Total Basketball Expenses 2005-2009 – 9.31 million
Average Basketball Expenses 2005-2009 – 1.86 million
Percent increase 2005-2009 – 60%
WCC Wins 2005-2009 – 24
Cost per WCC Win – 387,928
Basketball-only Expenses
2009 – 2.27 million
2008 – 2.14 million
2007 – 1.82 million
2006 – 1.65 million
2005 – 1.42 million
Pepperdine
Total Athletic Expenses 2009 – 13.7 million
Total Basketball Expenses 2005-2009 – 8.92 million
Average Basketball Expenses 2005-2009 – 1.78 million
Percent increase 2005-2009 – 19%
WCC Wins 2005-2009 – 19
Cost per WCC Win – 469,312
Basketball-only Expenses
2009 – 1.99 million
2008 – 1.86 million
2007 – 1.82 million
2006 – 1.57 million
2005 – 1.68 million
Portland
Total Athletic Expenses 2009 – 10.2 million
Total Basketball Expenses 2005-2009 – 7.74 million
Average Basketball Expenses 2005-2009 – 1.55 million
Percent increase 2005-2009 – (-)5% ; (+)25% from 2006 (UP's 2005 expenses were abnormally high due to buying out Holton's contract.)
WCC Wins 2005-2009 – 31
Cost per WCC Win – 249,745
Basketball-only Expenses
2009 – 1.60 million
2008 – 1.69 million
2007 – 1.49 million
2006 – 1.28 million
2005 – 1.68 million
St. Mary’s
Total Athletic Expenses 2009 – 12.3 million
Total Basketball Expenses 2005-2009 – 8.31 million
Average Basketball Expenses 2005-2009 – 1.66 million
Percent increase 2005-2009 – 69%
WCC Wins 2005-2009 – 49
Cost per WCC Win – 169,615
Basketball-only Expenses
2009 – 2.13 million
2008 – 1.96 million
2007 – 1.56 million
2006 – 1.38 million
2005 – 1.26 million
San Diego
Total Athletic Expenses 2009 – 18.4 million
Total Basketball Expenses 2005-2009 – 10.46 million
Average Basketball Expenses 2005-2009 – 2.09 million
Percent increase 2005-2009 – 48%
WCC Wins 2005-2009 – 32
Cost per WCC Win – 326,766
Basketball-only Expenses
2009 – 2.42 million
2008 – 2.35 million
2007 – 1.98 million
2006 – 2.05 million
2005 – 1.64 million
San Francisco
Total Athletic Expenses 2009 – 13.4 million
Total Basketball Expenses 2005-2009 – 9.36 million
Average Basketball Expenses 2005-2009 – 1.87 million
Percent increase 2005-2009 – 64%
WCC Wins 2005-2009 – 30
Cost per WCC Win – 312,092
Basketball-only Expenses
2009 – 2.29 million
2008 – 2.26 million
2007 – 1.64 million
2006 – 1.79 million
2005 – 1.39 million
Santa Clara
Total Athletic Expenses 2009 – 12.4 million
Total Basketball Expenses 2005-2009 – 8.13 million
Average Basketball Expenses 2005-2009 – 1.63 million
Percent increase 2005-2009 – 37%
WCC Wins 2005-2009 – 31
Cost per WCC Win – 262,234
Basketball-only Expenses
2009 – 1.65 million
2008 – 1.73 million
2007 – 2.03 million
2006 – 1.51 million
2005 – 1.21 million
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Re: WCC Expenses Stats
Stonehouse wrote:
One strange statistical oddity... Gonzaga's basketball expenses more than doubled to 6.25 million in 2009, and for the life of me I can't figure out why. The only thing I can think of is that Gonzaga altered its reporting and changed what expenses they attribute to men's basketball. Any other guesses?
Their expenses didn't double. their total expense line for the basketball team was exactly the same as their revenue - the same as all the other teams.
What changed is that they got more revenue, so to do zero sum accounting, it has to look the same on the expense side. I'm sure it was all rolled into the general fund. that can go pay for all the goodies they don't have to report for the purposes of the database. Maybe it's paying off the soccer stadium
Look at it another way. We can't compute what the basketball expenses are from this database, it's purposely obscured so you can't tell a coaches salary (though you can take a guess). What we CAN do is figure out what the expenses couldn't be higher than just by assuming that ALL men's coaching salaries are for basketball. Same for recruiting expenses. they don't subdivide my team, only by gender (this is, after all, a gender equity database) You can figure basketball takes up a sizable piece of that anyway.
they list the total operating expenses for the MBB team as.......................$801,123
they list the school's entire recruiting expenses for all teams as................$189,673
they list all the men's coaches salaries in the school as.........................$1,857,208
the portion of athletically related student aid for BB has to be computed. they claim they
gave out $1,943,225 for 46 scholarships. For 14 MBB players that's.............$591,416
by NCAA rule, all scholarships are the same. this seems low, at just over $42k per scholarship. Maybe they are counting partials.
Adjust upwards as you like. Even if you count $60K, the final number only changes by a quarter $million or so. this is interesting - this database used to tell you what a scholarship was worth. Somewhere I have screenshots, i'll try to find them. I suppose you could add up the number of scholarships the NCAA allows for Gonzaga's men's teams, assume all teams are fully funded, and use that as the divisor.
Those are the numbers that go into the computing of expenses at the bottom of the expense page.
so, even if you say ALL the salary went to basketball, and ALL the recruiting budget went to basketball,
the number can't be higher than $3,439,420
the rest is in the Fitzgerald slush fund
all of a sudden their bucks per win looks better.
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Re: WCC Expenses Stats
Sports accounting isn't really my thing. But, I'm glad that UP is giving Rev more recruiting resources than they gave his predecessors...since he demanded that before taking the job. That's really paying big dividends...
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