Just so you know--

I am NOT putting my birth certificate online.

My mother's maiden name is none of your damn business.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/rss_viewer/birth-certificate.pdf

Hahaha, agreed, plus my mom's maiden name is an amazing confluence of 12 letters with only 2 vowels... Silly Germans.

I can't believe that with the full power of office of the president that it took him so long to create an accurate forgery.

Of all the things to black out, why the Certificate Number.

My mother's name on my birth certificate is misspelt and turned into a Spanish language name.

Tough to do with Polish.

I find it amazing that this wasn't done 4 years ago. O wait it was.

This is the long form certificate which was just released http://msgboard.snopes.com/politics/graphics/longform.pdf

blacksheep wrote:I can't believe that with the full power of office of the president that it took him so long to create an accurate forgery.

Of all the things to black out, why the Certificate Number.

Haha. Not sure why they put that on the White House link, but they also had this...
http://whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/rss_viewer/birth-certificate-long-form.pdf

The nation can sleep easy tonight!

I won't believe it until I can see the document in person and examine it myself. I will conduct X-ray and mass spec experiments using my own equipment, and only then could I possibly believe it was real, and not a forgery made to conceal a six-decades old conspiracy to install a communist/Muslim/gay atheist as president.

On the other hand, maybe it's real. Huh.

Stonehouse wrote:The nation can sleep easy tonight!

Where is YOUR birth certificate?

Purplegeezer wrote:Where is YOUR birth certificate?

Um...... my parents house, I think? But given my history of posting here on Pilot Nation, I'm comlpetely unelectable anyway, so I'm not too worried about it.

Stonehouse wrote:

Purplegeezer wrote:Where is YOUR birth certificate?

Um...... my parents house, I think? But given my history of posting here on Pilot Nation, I'm comlpetely unelectable anyway, so I'm not too worried about it.

Yeah, "President Stoney" would never work....

Tee hee.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/04/27/birthers-still-have-quest_n_854591.html

I'm starting to build up a rage that the state of Hawai'i has a sitting President and we've been around longer and still haven't had one.

It wouldnt be so bad if they didn't keep sticking our noses in it by publishing all these birth certificates

Hahahha and a state that probably would prefer not even being part of the union anyway... (And based on the history of the island's annexation, you can hardly blame them)

I'm surprised birthers didn't push for Hawaiian secession to somehow invalidate Barry being born in the U.S., although I'm sure Donald Trump's army of alleged goons is trying to work something out...

Are you saying he's actually King Kamehamea the VI?

And we are all vassals of Hawai'i?


Damn!

Now wait a second... Herbert Hoover did live in Oregon for much of his formative years.

Of course, given Hoover's reputation Oregon hasn't really fully embraced that past, but that's silly in my point of view... despite a tough time as President (unfair to blame the Great Depression on him, but fair to critique him for his response to it), he did prove himself as one of the most capable public servents our country has ever had.

Prior to his presidency he saved millions in Europe from starvation during and after WWI (against intense isolationist pressure from Congress) and was the Secretary of Commerce during the Roaring 20s and did much to repair the relationship between government and business that had been very damaged (though necessarily so) by Roosevelt and Taft. And not in the cronyist way we see today, but in a true servant way - settling disputes, fostering competition, getting after inefficiencies, etc. He also (believe it or not) was a visionary when it came to exporting American popular culture to a worldwide audience, tirelessly working to promote Hollywood and radio programs.

We all know what happened during his Presidency (stock market crash, Great Depression), but a lot of good things happened too... he created more land for National Parks and National Forests than (I think) any President and also empowered the FBI to go after organized crime (with much success). Also, his Vice President - Charles Curtis - was the first minority ever elected to the White House, who was 3/4 Native American.

He also tried to put into action an early-form Social Security, create a Department of Education, create a predecessor to HUD to help build low-income housing, and wrote a visionary "Children's Charter" that would have provided protection for every child regardless of race or gender (remember, this was the early 30's)... all of which were shot down in Congress.

To be fair, he also authorized the forced repatriation of half a million Mexican Americans as a response to the massive unemployment, a black mark of American history not many people know about. And though Hoover specifcally ordered no force to be used, Douglas McCarthur (that peach of a man) sent in the army forcibly clear out a camp of WWI veterans that were demanding an early payment of their promised bonus (the "Bonus Army"). Hoover decided not to fire or even publicly reprimand McCarthur, which gave him a (probably rightfully so) reputation as spineless.

Internationally, he knew the havoc reparation payments were wreaking on Germany (remember, he his years during and after WWI trying to feed all the starving people in Europe, including Germany) and tried for force them to be stopped. France, of course, wouldn't have any of that. And we all know what happened in Germany... you really do have to wonder what would have happened had Hoover been successful.

In the end, he was too nice and too optimistic for politics, which is why he was a failure as a president. He genuinely believed in public service and thought volunteerism and good will was much preferable to coercion and back-room deals. Alas, politics doesn't work that way.

After he lose to FDR in 1932, he was a national scapegoat. FDR was especially cruel to him, refusing to invite him to events at the White House that other past Presidents attended and had his name removed from Hoover Dam (built during Hoover's administration) and it was called Boulder Dam for several years. FDR even took him off the White House Christmas Card list! You can't make this stuff up. When FDR ran for re-election in 1936 against Alf Landon, he spent most of his time ignoring Landon and attacking Hoover.

After WWII (and more importantly, after FDR was no longer President), Hoover was again called upon to oversee food distribution in Germany and other war-torn countries, which he did to great success.

Truman then asked him to look into ways to reorganize the Federal government with the famous Hoover Commission, and Eisenhower re-appointed him to do it again in the 50s. Hoover's work in this capacity is universally praised and is required text for any student of American government.

He also dedicated much time and money to Stanford, his alama mater.

So... my point? My point is Herbert Hoover may not have been a successful President, but he does deserve our honor and recognition as a tireless and extremely capable civil servant.

And yes, I did write a paper about Hoover in college. And one about Chester Arthur. I was all about rehabilitating the images of maligned Presidents. Don't get me started on Chester Arthur and his incredible strides with civil service reform.

Now wait, Stoney. Hoover was born in Iowa. Your claim is like saying Obama is from Chicago.
( you cut and pasted from the paper, which is still on your hard drive, didn't you? Or did you plagiarize from somewhere)

( and he actually stopped food shipments to famine areas in Ukraine to make the Bolsheviks toe the line)

I just thought of some additional proof that Barak is Hawaiian royalty. The word Obama means "lonely" in Luo , a Kenyan tribal language, and there are all kinds of stories out there about how lonely he is in office.( just google " Obama lonely" and see for yourself.)

You always hear about how Bakaka means "blessed" in Swahili, but Barak has no ties to that tribe. It's actually a predatory fishing bird in Micronesian.

Everyone who knows Hawaiian history is aware that Kamehamea means " the lonely one", and this birth certificate thing is just a way for him to show his claim to the line.

It's all code.

As further proof of the Hawaiian royal family takeover, look at this picture of Sarah Palin before she had the skin bleaching from Michael Jackson's doctor.


( Sarah and Queen Lili'uokelani I)

Hawaiian features if I ever saw them. She' in on it, too.

Did you know that Sarah means "queen" in Hebrew? And that Palin means " back again" in Greek?
She's part of the conspiracy to put the Hawaiian royal family back in power. She's stakeing her own claim.


Their animosity is all a smoke screen for what's really going on.

I had to get that out before Mildred comes to give me my next shot...

Stonehouse wrote:Now wait a second...
And yes, I did write a paper about Hoover in college. And one about Chester Arthur. I was all about rehabilitating the images of maligned Presidents. Don't get me started on Chester Arthur and his incredible strides with civil service reform.

Thanks for the history lesson, Stoney. But no thanks for the Wiki jag your post lead me into. Another hour down the drain.

Mildred, he's right over there!!! He stole my beer!!

Stonehouse wrote:Now wait a second... Herbert Hoover did live in Oregon for much of his formative years.

Of course, given Hoover's reputation Oregon hasn't really fully embraced that past, but that's silly in my point of view... despite a tough time as President (unfair to blame the Great Depression on him, but fair to critique him for his response to it), he did prove himself as one of the most capable public servents servants our country has ever had.

........

Fixed your post.

DaTruRochin wrote:Mildred, he's right over there!!! He stole my beer!!

don't show excitement. she hates that.

when the going gets weird, the weird turn pro" ~ Hunter S. Thompson

Wait a second... I thought Herbert Hoover invented the vacuum cleaner...

DaTruRochin wrote:Wait a second... I thought Herbert Hoover invented the vacuum cleaner...

That was Dyson.

Purplegeezer wrote:

DaTruRochin wrote:Wait a second... I thought Herbert Hoover invented the vacuum cleaner...

That was Dyson.

Wait a second... I thought Dyson invented a sphere...