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Re: Current state of the program
I'm told Oskars' interview lasted a lot longer than 30 minutes.
Apparently the team wants him back AND the coaching staff wants him back too and "will go to bat for him," but it's up to the "school."
Apparently the team wants him back AND the coaching staff wants him back too and "will go to bat for him," but it's up to the "school."
DoubleDipper- Pilot Nation Legend
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Re: Current state of the program
O, BTW, Oskars tuns 19 tomorrow----how many of us were given multiple second chances as teen agers? And if we hadn't gotten those second chances---where would we be today?
I wouldn't be a UP graduate---that is for sure!!!
I wouldn't be a UP graduate---that is for sure!!!
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Re: Current state of the program
I used up my second chances before I got out middle school.
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Miscellaneous Thoughts
1. Derrick stepped up to a whole new level of play this year after Carr went down. He, and the Pilots, were far more likely to be at their best when he ran the ball up the court. He controlled the team’s energy level. When LMU players could have coffee and a smoke waiting for Derrick to get the ball to half court, it’s no surprise we lost in Vegas.
2. The other reason it wasn’t a surprise – my wife predicted a loss before the game began when she observed Rev looked grouchy and the players didn’t seem happy or enthusiastic.
3. Never understood the offensive play that starts with lining up across the free throw line. Other than waste time and show the men could line up as straight as the dance team, what was the point?
4. While we saw individual player improvement over the season from a number of the guys, we didn’t appear to improve as a team.
5. Reveno’s oft quoted remark about “defense determines who wins the game and offense by how much” only applies when you have an offense.
6. How many offensive plays do we actually have?
7. The last few games of the year, I preferred to watch the second team for the few minutes they were in together. They ran, they passed, they moved, and they all took shots – even if they missed, they looked like a team with a purpose and one having fun at a game they love.
8. I’m just guessing here, but I doubt any of these kids were reluctant to shoot the ball in high school. Why does it look like Kevin, Ryan, and Thomas are the only players with a green light, and an expectation, to shoot?
9. I agree whole-heartedly with the post that suggested a preference for summer pics of these kids taking 2000 shots a day instead of pushing tractor tires. Yes, there needs to be strength and conditioning. Let’s face it though, they could all look like Chippendales, but if they can’t hit a three point shot (hell, even a shot outside the paint); our rank in the conference ain’t gonna change (though attendance might pick up).
10. Keep hearing about Tanner being a streak shooter. I feel for him. Think of the pressure he’s under knowing he gets a couple shots and if one doesn’t fall, he’s out. I’ve watched Kevin Pangos, Anthony Ireland, Johnny Dee, Cody Doolin all have bad shooting games and their minutes don’t change much. Make a commitment here. He’s the best three point shooter on the team.
11. We desperately need a true point guard (though Carr has done a great job stepping in, it’s not his natural position).
12. I’m not buying that the problem is the quality of the recruits until I see the quality of our coaching improve.
13. I love Reveno, but he hasn’t delivered. Even in our 20 win seasons, we didn’t do anything post season. He’s a quality guy, deep thinker, and great defensive coach – so what to do? A. The whole crew goes and we start over? B. Some of them go (we get a new assistant that knows offense)? C. They get a last chance agreement? Personally, my preference is B – C – A.
14. And one last thing. The cheer squad is great. It’s wonderful to see they have new outfits. I remember a few years ago, there was one outfit and it looked out of date. They do great routines. But here’s my observation – look around the arena. Besides empty seats, what do you see? A pretty diverse crowd in terms of age. How about playing to them. I don’t know what today’s music is called, but really how about some variety – blues, jazz, country, hits from 30 to 50 years ago, I don’t care. Pick a tune your parents listened to. St. Mary’s did a couple dances to other music and I loved it. I get tired of routines to music I’ve never heard of and won’t listen to again.
2. The other reason it wasn’t a surprise – my wife predicted a loss before the game began when she observed Rev looked grouchy and the players didn’t seem happy or enthusiastic.
3. Never understood the offensive play that starts with lining up across the free throw line. Other than waste time and show the men could line up as straight as the dance team, what was the point?
4. While we saw individual player improvement over the season from a number of the guys, we didn’t appear to improve as a team.
5. Reveno’s oft quoted remark about “defense determines who wins the game and offense by how much” only applies when you have an offense.
6. How many offensive plays do we actually have?
7. The last few games of the year, I preferred to watch the second team for the few minutes they were in together. They ran, they passed, they moved, and they all took shots – even if they missed, they looked like a team with a purpose and one having fun at a game they love.
8. I’m just guessing here, but I doubt any of these kids were reluctant to shoot the ball in high school. Why does it look like Kevin, Ryan, and Thomas are the only players with a green light, and an expectation, to shoot?
9. I agree whole-heartedly with the post that suggested a preference for summer pics of these kids taking 2000 shots a day instead of pushing tractor tires. Yes, there needs to be strength and conditioning. Let’s face it though, they could all look like Chippendales, but if they can’t hit a three point shot (hell, even a shot outside the paint); our rank in the conference ain’t gonna change (though attendance might pick up).
10. Keep hearing about Tanner being a streak shooter. I feel for him. Think of the pressure he’s under knowing he gets a couple shots and if one doesn’t fall, he’s out. I’ve watched Kevin Pangos, Anthony Ireland, Johnny Dee, Cody Doolin all have bad shooting games and their minutes don’t change much. Make a commitment here. He’s the best three point shooter on the team.
11. We desperately need a true point guard (though Carr has done a great job stepping in, it’s not his natural position).
12. I’m not buying that the problem is the quality of the recruits until I see the quality of our coaching improve.
13. I love Reveno, but he hasn’t delivered. Even in our 20 win seasons, we didn’t do anything post season. He’s a quality guy, deep thinker, and great defensive coach – so what to do? A. The whole crew goes and we start over? B. Some of them go (we get a new assistant that knows offense)? C. They get a last chance agreement? Personally, my preference is B – C – A.
14. And one last thing. The cheer squad is great. It’s wonderful to see they have new outfits. I remember a few years ago, there was one outfit and it looked out of date. They do great routines. But here’s my observation – look around the arena. Besides empty seats, what do you see? A pretty diverse crowd in terms of age. How about playing to them. I don’t know what today’s music is called, but really how about some variety – blues, jazz, country, hits from 30 to 50 years ago, I don’t care. Pick a tune your parents listened to. St. Mary’s did a couple dances to other music and I loved it. I get tired of routines to music I’ve never heard of and won’t listen to again.
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Re: Current state of the program
Great stuff, Bullwinkle! Thank you for posting... not much to disagree with.
If others have random thoughts, please post them! If we don't let the U know how we feel, how is anything ever going to change?!! Also, a reminder to let the Athletic Director, Scott Leykam, know how you feel! His contact information is on the UP site, here.
If others have random thoughts, please post them! If we don't let the U know how we feel, how is anything ever going to change?!! Also, a reminder to let the Athletic Director, Scott Leykam, know how you feel! His contact information is on the UP site, here.
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14) the guy who sits in back of me has been grousing all year that the dancers only dance to the student side of the court, even when there are no students there.
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Re: Current state of the program
PurpleGeezer wrote:14) the guy who sits in back of me has been grousing all year that the dancers only dance to the student side of the court, even when there are no students there.
The UP Dance Team has a Facebook page... and they are responsive. I would recommend that this feedback be given to them directly... I am not sure if it is a conscious decision or not.
They also have a page on the UP site, with some email addresses (and a link to the facebook page): LINK.
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That would have to be somebody else writing.
I'm really not opposed to the umm...
perspective presented.
I'm really not opposed to the umm...
perspective presented.
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#4!!!
#3---I'm so tired of watching them try to set whatever that is up.
#12...I won't argue with improving recruiting, but this team could be much more successful with the same set of kids.
#13
Where are the easy shots? where is the movement? Anyone seen a pick and roll?
If something doesn't work (see #3) make adjustments and move forward. It might make scouting us a little bit more difficult!
Go Pilots!
#3---I'm so tired of watching them try to set whatever that is up.
#12...I won't argue with improving recruiting, but this team could be much more successful with the same set of kids.
#13
Where are the easy shots? where is the movement? Anyone seen a pick and roll?
If something doesn't work (see #3) make adjustments and move forward. It might make scouting us a little bit more difficult!
Go Pilots!
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Re: Current state of the program
bullwinkle wrote:9. I agree whole-heartedly with the post that suggested a preference for summer pics of these kids taking 2000 shots a day instead of pushing tractor tires. Yes, there needs to be strength and conditioning. Let’s face it though, they could all look like Chippendales, but if they can’t hit a three point shot (hell, even a shot outside the paint); our rank in the conference ain’t gonna change (though attendance might pick up).
This point has come up a couple times in this thread. Apparently the NCAA is behind it.
CoachReveno wrote:@CoachReveno: Friend just emailed asking why we dont show off season skill work pictures -because its against NCAA rules. Why weights not? I have no idea.
Go figure.
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Not that THIS helps our program, but we can at least be thankful that we are not at this point.
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Interesting article on OSU in the Oregonian tonight... it almost exactly states what we have been saying about our program. Replace the references to OSU, Pac-12 & Robinson with UP, WCC & Reveno, and it is amazingly similar... LINK
Goe: Craig Robinson says it's time to raise the bar at Oregon State, and he's right
By Ken Goe, The Oregonian
on March 13, 2013 at 7:38 PM, updated March 13, 2013 at 7:39 PM
LAS VEGAS – It’s hard to put a positive spin on the way Oregon State’s season of futility ended Wednesday in MGM Grand Garden Arena, but goodness knows OSU coach Craig Robinson tried. “We’ve made a lot of progress,” Robinson insisted. “You know, when I first got to Oregon State we were trying not to lose by 30. This year, because of these guys’ hard work continually, we were in every game we played in the Pac-12 this year.”
The statute of limitations for blaming the predecessor is long over.
Robinson has had five full seasons in Corvallis. He recruited every player on the roster. This team’s record is his responsibility, and his alone.
The record isn’t pretty.
The Beavers lost 15 of 19 games against conference opponents this season, the worst in his tenure.
Wednesday’s 74-68 loss to Colorado in the first round of the Pac-12 Conference tournament was typical of the season. OSU played hard and well enough to be in the game late. Roberto Nelson’s three-point play with 18 seconds left had the Beavers within 72-66.
But here is the thing. That isn’t good enough. A close loss still is a loss. When it happens consistently, it’s worse than being blown out because it shows that you’re physically able to play with your opponents.
It’s the coach’s job to take a team the rest of the way.
To his credit, Robinson said after the game the Beavers wouldn’t pursue a berth in the College Basketball Invitational, the Kraft Fight Hunger Bowl of college postseason basketball.
The CBI is a tournament that schools have to buy their way into, and Oregon State wasn’t too proud to do it in three of Robinson’s first four seasons.
“Normally we would say yes to that,” Robinson said. “But these guys want to be NCAA Tournament guys. I don’t know with our record if we would even be invited. But we are raising the bar. We want to feel the sting of not playing in the postseason and see how that motivates us for next year.”
Well, good. I don’t know how many OSU fans who aren’t friends or family members would want to watch another CBI foray.
Heck, some friends and family members wouldn’t either.
The Beavers shot less than 40 percent against Colorado and were pounded 43-30 on the boards.
They played a scrappy 2-3 zone that gave Colorado fits. But it was a seriously ugly game to watch. Give former OSU greats A.C. Green and Gary Payton credit for sticking out all 40 minutes.
Robinson seems to be in no danger of losing his job. His contract runs through the 2016-17 season. And, besides he brings real strengths to the school.
He recruits well. He effectively raises money at a school where fund-raising is critical. He represents Oregon State well in the community.
Oh, and he is President Obama’s brother-in-law.
But on the court, this isn’t working. Eventually, every coach at this level gets judged on his record, no matter how good the family connections.
Maybe Robinson should retool his coaching staff to bring in a veteran assistant. An experienced voice beside him on the bench might help. It couldn’t hurt.
At the very least, the long offseason should give Robinson time to come up with a better plan on offense. At the moment, it seems to feature too much perimeter passing with post players handling the ball 25 feet from the basket, and too often results in a forced jumper to beat the shot clock.
Certainly, OSU caught some bad breaks this season with season-ending injuries to post players Angus Brandt and Daniel Gomis.
But that is college basketball. You rarely make it through a season untouched. Players get hurt. They go into funks. Sometimes they leave.
Sophomore forward Eric Moreland, for instance, could turn pro before the 2013-14 season convenes. He will have the opportunity if he wants to take it.
Constant references to players who aren’t on the floor are losers’ laments. Good teams have the depth, will and, yes, coaching to persevere anyway.
“We want to be an NCAA Tournament team next year,” Robinson said. “I mean that’s what programs at this level strive for. That’s what we strive for.”
OK, Robinson is on record.
It’s time for the decision-makers at OSU to hold him to it.
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Reveno is the President's Brother-in-Law?!?!
(Ok i'll stop...)
(Ok i'll stop...)
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"played hard and well enough to be in the game late"
We play hard, but rarely well enough to be in the game late.
As far as the Grambling stats are concerned: they're awful, but we're not far from those numbers.
I love the pilots, but our current offensive "system" is an atrocity. It's not just because of the injury issues or talent. It just doesn't work.
We play hard, but rarely well enough to be in the game late.
As far as the Grambling stats are concerned: they're awful, but we're not far from those numbers.
I love the pilots, but our current offensive "system" is an atrocity. It's not just because of the injury issues or talent. It just doesn't work.
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Rev returns, per the Oregonian:
http://www.oregonlive.com/pilots/index.ssf/2013/03/mens_basketball_reveno_will_be.html#incart_river_default
I kind of figured this was the case. You usually don't send a coach halfway around the world for a recruiting trip only to can him upon his return.
Hope things get turned around next year!
http://www.oregonlive.com/pilots/index.ssf/2013/03/mens_basketball_reveno_will_be.html#incart_river_default
I kind of figured this was the case. You usually don't send a coach halfway around the world for a recruiting trip only to can him upon his return.
Hope things get turned around next year!
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U kidding me?
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I really hope we see a change in assistant coaches and get an assistant to help create an offense. I don't think Rev's a bad coach, but I haven't seen evidence lately anyone on staff is an offensive expert. I see players skills improving, evidence of coaching happening between games, etc. Exceptionally good defense at times and always pretty good on D, but offense. Oh man.
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Um, I haven't heard of any changes coming to the staff, but you never know.dholcombe wrote:I really hope we see a change in assistant coaches and get an assistant to help create an offense.
I did see the entire staff (minus 1)just yesterday at the Chiles Center. The "minus 1" still identifies himself as Assistant Men's Basketball Coach @ University of Portland on social media.....I just didn't see him.
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Some change would be nice. Based on the last 2 years, I was shocked to see that Rev's coming back.
His scheme should look much, much different next year. If it isn't, we should be prepared for more of the same. The effort is there, but these kids were just not in a position to be successful given their skill set and athleticism.
Any more news on Oskars?
His scheme should look much, much different next year. If it isn't, we should be prepared for more of the same. The effort is there, but these kids were just not in a position to be successful given their skill set and athleticism.
Any more news on Oskars?
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He's coming back, but I imagine with little room for error. So as a career preservation strategy, if for no other reason, Rev had better go back to the drawing board for the offense.
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I must have missed that meeting.
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Sarcasm?
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dholcombe wrote:I really hope we see a change in assistant coaches and get an assistant to help create an offense. I don't think Rev's a bad coach, but I haven't seen evidence lately anyone on staff is an offensive expert. I see players skills improving, evidence of coaching happening between games, etc. Exceptionally good defense at times and always pretty good on D, but offense. Oh man.
bctigard wrote:Some change would be nice. Based on the last 2 years, I was shocked to see that Rev's coming back.
His scheme should look much, much different next year. If it isn't, we should be prepared for more of the same. The effort is there, but these kids were just not in a position to be successful given their skill set and athleticism.
From Rev a couple of hours ago on Twitter:NoPoNeighbor wrote:He's coming back, but I imagine with little room for error. So as a career preservation strategy, if for no other reason, Rev had better go back to the drawing board for the offense.
Amazing impact of internet...patients think they are doctors, investors think they are stock guru's and everyone thinks they can coach.
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Great quote from Rev. Can't remember one I liked better. But can we get off this topic. The "Current State of the Program" can generate only so many comments. We have decided its lacking, but there is basketball still and I prefer being a fan for the home team that leaves the coaching decisions where they belong.
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Yea, I too think we've chopped down about every tree in this forest.....maybe a new thread titled "Current State of a Program on Its Way Back, Baby!"wrv wrote:Great quote from Rev. Can't remember one I liked better. But can we get off this topic. The "Current State of the Program" can generate only so many comments. We have decided its lacking, but there is basketball still and I prefer being a fan for the home team that leaves the coaching decisions where they belong.
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