Roster size

What a great topic-- thanks, Gnarly. Before we leave the topic of how athletic scholarships are handed out and to whom, I'd like to note that the Ivy League does without athletic scholarships altogether. Any Ivy scholarship is for just that -- scholarship -- and is not dependent on how a student's athletic career may play out over time or who is coaching. Radical, eh?

purple haze wrote:What a great topic-- thanks, Gnarly. Before we leave the topic of how athletic scholarships are handed out and to whom, I'd like to note that the Ivy League does without athletic scholarships altogether. Any Ivy scholarship is for just that -- scholarship -- and is not dependent on how a student's athletic career may play out over time or who is coaching. Radical, eh?

Well, OK, but most of the Ivy's provide scholarships for everyone, and you can jump the que a bit if your grades aren't the absolute top. It CAN help with admissions.

At Harvard, for example, there were more applications from people with perfect board scores than there were slots, and not all people admitted have perfect scores.
So it's your athletics and other talents that makes the difference.

On the other hand, a player on academic scholarship can just quit, if the athletics don't work out and still keep the scholarship.

I highly recommend a book entitled "The Price of Admission," by Daniel Golden, a WSJ writer. It documents the roles that non-academic work has in elite college admissions. The stories he reports vary from school to school (Brown recruits the children of celebrities, half the Harvard class is legacies, Duke actively recruits children of potential large donors, etc.), but are invariably interesting and well documented. The bottom line is that there are very few schools that play strictly by the academic high road. (He cites Cal Tech, but there are other examples.)

Another highly recommended book is Malcolm Gladwell's Outliers, which discusses among other things, how things like random chance and birthdate can affect both the opportunity to attend certain schools, and discusses just how important an education from one of those places is to achieve excellence (not very).

Also your last name. There was a study a few years back about a highly selective school in the Czech Republic at which the probability of admission, controlling for all the credentials in the file, was 2% higher for applicants at the beginning of the alphabet (when the admission officers were fresh) than those at the end.

Maybe you should be Aapurplegeezer!

SoreKnees wrote:Also your last name. There was a study a few years back about a highly selective school in the Czech Republic at which the probability of admission, controlling for all the credentials in the file, was 2% higher for applicants at the beginning of the alphabet (when the admission officers were fresh) than those at the end.

Maybe you should be Aapurplegeezer!

I wonder if that holds with IRS prosecutions?

Yo Gnarly you going to post this on BigSoccer?

I've enhanced my work from before to include all D1 teams and their
recruiting class size along with the size of the Sr, JR, SO, and FR
classes from their 2008 roster. At the end of each conference are the
averages for the conference. Since many have not posted their signees,
I used what was on the committements spreadsheet that you can find
either on BS or the 3rd page of PN postings. Also, in my first column
is who has posted their 2009 schedule on their website. have a look...

2009			2009	2008	2008
Schedule	Conf	School	recruits	# roster	Seniors	Jr	SO	FR
	ACC	Boston College	3	25	5	5	7	8
.	ACC	Clemson	9	23	4	5	7	7
.	ACC	Duke	6	25	6	4	8	7
.	ACC	Florida State	6	18	0	2	6	10
.	ACC	Maryland	9	31	5	5	9	12
.	ACC	Miami (Florida)	10	23	3	6	6	8
.	ACC	North Carolina	5	32	4	9	11	8
.	ACC	North Carolina State	2	27	2	6	8	11
.	ACC	Virginia	7	24	7	3	7	7
.	ACC	Virginia Tech	10	26	6	6	6	7
.	ACC	Wake Forest	7	25	6	7	4	8
.			6.7	25.4	4.4	5.3	7.2	8.5

too big for one post..

2009			2009	2008	2008
Schedule	Conf	School	recruits	# roster	Seniors	Jr	SO	FR
.	America East	Albany	11	21	3	3	5	10
.	America East	Binghamton	12	22	4	6	5	7
.	America East	Boston U.	4	29	6	6	10	7
.	America East	Hartford	2	19	5	4	3	7
.	America East	Maine	1	20	3	6	7	4
.	America East	New Hampshire	6	24	5	6	6	7
.	America East	Stony Brook	7	26	2	7	6	11
.	America East	UMBC	7	25	4	6	8	7
.	America East	Vermont	1	25	5	3	11	6
.			5.7	23.4	4.1	5.2	6.8	7.3
.	Atlantic 10	Charlotte	6	31	3	5	10	13
.	Atlantic 10	Dayton	10	27	4	6	8	9
.	Atlantic 10	Duquesne	7	24	4	6	5	9
.	Atlantic 10	Fordham	7	21	5	6	6	4
.	Atlantic 10	George Washington	7	24	7	5	7	5
.	Atlantic 10	La Salle	5	28	3	11	4	10
.	Atlantic 10	Massachusetts	4	22	5	6	4	7
.	Atlantic 10	Rhode Island	3	21	2	4	5	10
.	Atlantic 10	Richmond	3	27	6	8	4	9
.	Atlantic 10	Saint Louis	3	34	5	13	8	8
.	Atlantic 10	St. Bonaventure	3	20	0	2	7	11
.	Atlantic 10	St. Joseph's	1	25	5	4	5	11
.	Atlantic 10	Temple	4	26	6	1	11	7
.	Atlantic 10	Xavier	4	31	6	6	9	8
			4.8	25.8	4.4	5.9	6.6	8.6

Gnarly, FSU lost 5 girls from last years squad, the roster was updated at the first of the year, something not many schools do. Katrin Schmidt, Sarah Wagenfuhr and Erika Sutton all graduated. Sanna Talonen used up her eligibility and Annie Stalzer retired due to injuries. Besides all that just add 3 to the FSU senior column.

P.S. Excellent work, very intriguing.

Apparently the grueling Big Sky conference schedule necessitates over 27 players a squad??

Next thing you'll know they'll be playing a JV schedule.

very instructive. It'll be especially instructive to follow the classes from year to year to see the retention rates...

Purplegeezer wrote:very instructive. It'll be especially instructive to follow the classes from year to year to see the retention rates...

That would indeed be a very interesting stat... I hope you are planning on keeping this up gnarly!!