Re: Recruiting Guards 2012

by pilotpurple Thu Mar 08, 2012 9:08 am

newpilotfan wrote:Found this on YouTube. Jake Ehlers is #11 on the black team. I know its an all star game but I'm not seeing why the coach love this guy. Wish there was more video of him.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5c9wp0ZC6po

Tough to base talent off of an 'all star' game. I remember when Luke Sikma played at Chiles Center for the NW Shootout. Quite frankly he didn't look very good in that game, but he turned out great.

by upsailor Thu Mar 08, 2012 4:21 pm

Yes, and Jared Stohl was not picked for thar game. I believe that PSU and ourselveswere looking at Jared, no one else fromD1

by DoubleDipper Thu Mar 08, 2012 5:24 pm

Just curious. Can anyone think of a player who has gone directly from the high school level to UP that has made an instant (good) impression in any of the various all-star games? Question

by wrv Thu Mar 08, 2012 5:29 pm

Jeremiah Dominguez, I suspect, made a good impression, if he did not excel at the Oregon/Washington game, maybe some others. Way back, Jose Slaughter may have been in some all star games--I have this vague recollection that he was MVP of one before becoming a Pilot and later an Indiana Pacer.

by Geezaldinho Thu Mar 08, 2012 5:31 pm

DoubleDipper wrote:Just curious. Can anyone think of a player who has gone directly from the high school level to UP that has made an instant (good) impression in any of the various all-star games?

Jason Franklin.

by NoPoNeighbor Thu Mar 08, 2012 10:04 pm

Jim Beseda in the Oregonian: Jake Ehlers sets tone, paces Corvallis to 66-47 win over Silverton

by wrv Fri Mar 09, 2012 7:30 am

Ehlers hits two threes in the first half, only played 9 minutes in the second half: he may not have been recruited to play inside as another big but to stretch the defense by hitting some threes . . .

by DoubleDipper Fri Mar 09, 2012 12:13 pm

In a rematch of last year's 5A Final, Jake and his Corvallis Spartans (22-4) take on the Benson Techmen (25-2) in a semi-final game tonight at 8:15 in Eugene. Benson beat Corvallis 52-40 earlier this year, but really wants to knock them out tonight to avenge last year's dramatic 79-73 double-overtime loss in the championship game.

Corvallis is going to have to keep Benson senior forward Bryce White out of the lane without fouling him if they are to have a chance to move onto the championship game tomorrow night. Last night White scored 27 points, 13 from the foul line against Eagle Point.

by DoubleDipper Fri Mar 09, 2012 12:36 pm

wrv wrote: Ehlers hits two threes in the first half, only played 9 minutes in the second half: he may not have been recruited to play inside as another big but to stretch the defense by hitting some threes . . .

I had the opportunity to see Jake play at Albany in mid-January when he stepped back for four 3-pointers. I think he scored 30 that afternoon with about 10 rebounds, but I was most impressed with his nice shooting touch from all around the basket. And, he's got some hops!

I think Jake would have generated more interest from recruiters had he played for a more high-profile AAU team or played at the 6A level in a higher profile region.

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by onetouchfutbol Fri Mar 09, 2012 6:48 pm

ShipstadPilot11 wrote:
newpilotfan wrote:
goldhelmet wrote:This conference is betting better and better talent wise. We can't just keep up, because we're already behind. Rev and his staff are going to have to go out and find multiple players of starting material at the WCC level.

How confident are we in this coaching staff's ability to recruit the right guys? They sold us Cason, Barker and Douglas as the future of this program. Perhaps they've taken us as far as they're capable and in order to get to the next level we need a group that's been there? I don't have an opinion either way. Just throwing it out there for discussion.
I think it's easy for us to disregard the youth of this squad; I also think that's a HUGE mistake.

In my opinion, one thing this program does well is develop players to their maximum potential. We haven't always been blessed with the best recruits but the guys hit it HARD with Coach Scott over the summer and always look much stronger come fall. Let us not forget that Rev collected 60 wins over the 3 years previous to this year, including the first back-to-back 20-win seasons in program history. There's clearly something going right here.

This year was tough for us but let us not forget that, on average, we got 42.8 minutes, 12.5 points and 5 rebounds per game from our 3 UPPERCLASSMEN. To put that into perspective, LMU, a middle-of-the-pack team which has potential to beat the big boys, got 41.9 minutes, 18.2 points and 6.1 rebounds per game from their 4 seniors (two of whom combined for a whopping 92 minutes played over the course of the year).

The point here is that we are young but we shouldn't lose hope because of that. I'm guessing that Rev inherited unbalanced recruiting classes, though I'm too lazy to research that at the moment. As long as we are working to correct the unbalanced recruiting classes, I don't see any other glaring issues with our system right now. We've got a good thing going and we shouldn't overlook that due to our youth (and the complete senior season collapse of a former All-WCC Player).

Speaking of Nem, I want to point out two things. 1) He didn't come on until his junior year. His sophomore year, he contributed 12.5 minutes, 4.2 points and 1.5 rebounds. Don't judge too much based on youth; development and maturation are keys to the college game. 2) Imagine how this team would have looked if All-WCC Nem would have been playing this year. We lost a fair number of close games, especially in conference that I think we would have won with "old" Nem. It's all speculation but my point is that we're very close to competing. We hung with Kentucky and BYU, even. Finding the determination and the conditioning to play a full 40 minutes every night will be a big boost to this team moving forward and I think it will allow us to compete in the top half of the WCC within the next two years.

Closing thought: StatSheet has us listed as the 14th youngest (most inexperienced) team in the country on their Experience Tracker. 14th youngest of 343 teams. That puts us in the bottom 4%. We are unbelievably young. And, let's face it, teams like Kentucky, who rank as younger than us, don't really count.

SP11

These are some good points. I guess that I just hope that the nucleus of this team decides to stay and grow up together. Having a point guard and a high basketball IQ big man who can defend would be things on my wish list. I like the talent on this team, however, players want to be on teams that reload instead of rebuild. Hopefully, the players came to UP for a few reasons beyond just basketball and can endure these growing pains... Some junior college transfers would be very helpful. Having too much youth makes it feel like a situation where the blind are leading the blind...

by DoubleDipper Fri Mar 09, 2012 10:54 pm

Jake will play one more game.

It wasn’t pretty (actually, it was ugly), but after a 27-27 tie after 3 quarters, #2 seed Corvallis pulled away for a 59-45 win over #1 seed Benson in the 5A semi-final. Jake scored nine points, with 1/4 on three pointers (as a team Corvallis was 1/10), and 4/6 from the line. Benson’s Bryce White scored 22 for individual honors, but Benson could not avenge last year’s loss.

Corvallis shot 32/42 from the stripe while Benson had six players foul out of the game.

Jake and the Spartans will play for the 5A Championship against Milwaukie tomorrow Saturday night at 8:15.

by oldtimer Fri Mar 09, 2012 11:40 pm

Good luck Jake!

DD, were you at the game? Im curious (if you were) what are your impressions of our only signed recruit. Is he a 3? 4? Strengths/weaknesses. Is he a DI caliber player? Just trying to guage how he would be able to fit in as a freshman.
Inquiring minds want to know.

by DoubleDipper Sat Mar 10, 2012 11:33 am

oldtimer wrote:Good luck Jake!

DD, were you at the game? Im curious (if you were) what are your impressions of our only signed recruit. Is he a 3? 4? Strengths/weaknesses. Is he a DI caliber player? Just trying to guage how he would be able to fit in as a freshman.
Inquiring minds want to know.

No, I was not at the game; my brother-in-law was giving me updates from Eugene.

But I have seen Jake play, and consider him a versatile 3 that can do a little bit of everything including playing with his back to the basket and shoot the three with consistency. So, in other words, he’s a prototypical 3 with quickness and developing strength inside who should be able to draw fouls by posting up or laying it up, and then get to the line. I can even see him as a point forward in some systems, but as Dorian and Ryan are really our only current 3 or 4 guys, (Kevin is considered a 2), he’ll probably start out as a 3. I see him eventually displacing Dorian at the 3, with Ryan at the 4 in a traditional lineup (Jake is much more versatile than Dorian at this point). But, if you look at our current roster, Rev may do something a little less conventional next year if we have both Thomas and Riley in the lineup together for significant minutes (I'm guessing Rev would love that scenario).

In a perfect world, I would love to see Jake redshirt a year (just as I would liked to have seen David and Dorian do this year), but I doubt Rev will have that luxury. Typical of the recruits we are able to land, Jake needs to develop from a high school boy into a man if he’s contend with other forwards in the WCC, but he can SHOOT, and I love his awareness , basketball IQ, and versatility; similar to Ryan in many respects, but with a lot more hops and traditional athleticism!

But what do I know? I also thought Nem was going to have a stellar senior year. Embarassed

by upsailor Sat Mar 10, 2012 12:54 pm

Slaughter was the MVP at the Dandy Don Tournament in Pittsbourg lo manyyears ago

by DoubleDipper Sat Mar 10, 2012 4:23 pm

oldtimer wrote:Is he a DI caliber player?

I just realized I didn't answer your question directly in my previous post. The short answer is YES. Eventually. He has the POTENTIAL to be an All-WCC player eventually, but like Luke, he's going to have to adjust to the speed and size of the college game and he's got to learn from the coaches and his playing time.

It's often difficult to predict a high school player's college potential while he's playing against inferior high school kids, but YES, he'll be a good one in the WCC. Eventually! Basketball

by oldtimer Sat Mar 10, 2012 9:10 pm

DoubleDipper wrote:
oldtimer wrote:Good luck Jake!

DD, were you at the game? Im curious (if you were) what are your impressions of our only signed recruit. Is he a 3? 4? Strengths/weaknesses. Is he a DI caliber player? Just trying to guage how he would be able to fit in as a freshman.
Inquiring minds want to know.
No, I was not at the game; my brother-in-law was giving me updates from Eugene.

But I have seen Jake play, and consider him a versatile 3 that can do a little bit of everything including playing with his back to the basket and shoot the three with consistency. So, in other words, he’s a prototypical 3 with quickness and developing strength inside who should be able to draw fouls by posting up or laying it up, and then get to the line. I can even see him as a point forward in some systems, but as Dorian and Ryan are really our only current 3 or 4 guys, (Kevin is considered a 2), he’ll probably start out as a 3. I see him eventually displacing Dorian at the 3, with Ryan at the 4 in a traditional lineup (Jake is much more versatile than Dorian at this point). But, if you look at our current roster, Rev may do something a little less conventional next year if we have both Thomas and Riley in the lineup together for significant minutes (I'm guessing Rev would love that scenario).

In a perfect world, I would love to see Jake redshirt a year (just as I would liked to have seen David and Dorian do this year), but I doubt Rev will have that luxury. Typical of the recruits we are able to land, Jake needs to develop from a high school boy into a man if he’s contend with other forwards in the WCC, but he can SHOOT, and I love his awareness , basketball IQ, and versatility; similar to Ryan in many respects, but with a lot more hops and traditional athleticism!

But what do I know? I also thought Nem was going to have a stellar senior year.

A "versatile" 3 wouldnt be a bad thing as it is always nice to have some rebounding from the wings, and if he can shoot it all the better.
Neither Dorian nor Ryan are a 3, at least they have never played that spot to date. With Rev's offense the two wings are the 2 and 3 and are basically the same position. It is a perimater first offense with the bigs spending much of their time screening (that is another post all together) and the wings run basically the same curls, flares etc. With that said, Jake, if coming in with the design as a 3 would compete with Kevin, Tanner, David, Derrick and even Tim. Ryan and Dorian both played the 4 with Ryan playing a lot of 5. If you want to know which is which, the inbounder off a made shot is the 4 in this offense. When Ryan and Dorian were in at the same time, Ryan was always the 5.
If Jake is pegged as a 4, he better come in with some weight. And if thats the case I would think a redshirt year would not be a bad option as Ryan could play even more minutes than he did this year (28mpg). With Dorian as a backup and even JB having seen some minutes it would be a season of watching. Might as well watch while saving the year.
The thought of Rev playing Barker and Thomas "significant" minutes in theory is intriguing but I dont see it happening. Short bursts perhaps but not a consistent lineup. First of all this team needs Ryan on the floor. You dont sit your leading scorer and rebounder just to put additional height on the floor. Neither of those two play good enough perimater defense to warrant that, and neither of them can take a man off the dribble. Ryan shot 50% from the field and 36% (team high) from beyone the arc so you arent going to gain a lot of points with that lineup. Finally we only have two 5's and both are needed at that spot as both can be prone to foul trouble. I see Barker and Thomas being interchangable at the 5, both contributing minutes and Ryan and Dorian sharing the 4 spot. This gives the Pilots some depth at each position and an opportunity to rest the bigs during a long season. But like DD said, I too could be totally off the mark.

There is a long time until the season kicks off again and a lot of things can change but I think it would be a solid lineup with David at the point (if in fact that is his destiny), Tanner and Kevin at the wings, Ryan at the PF, and either Thomas or Barker at the post. 6'3, 6'5", 6'7", and 6'11" is a respectable sized lineup. Thoughts?

by DoubleDipper Sat Mar 10, 2012 10:07 pm

oldtimer wrote:There is a long time until the season kicks off again and a lot of things can change but I think it would be a solid lineup with David at the point (if in fact that is his destiny), Tanner and Kevin at the wings, Ryan at the PF, and either Thomas or Barker at the post. 6'3, 6'5", 6'7", and 6'11" is a respectable sized lineup. Thoughts?

Phew! Man did I get schooled; thanks for the rundown. No wonder I spent most of my time on the bench; I was always out of position!! Shocked

by DoubleDipper Sat Mar 10, 2012 10:10 pm

Corvallis repeats as Oregon 5A Champions, beating Milwaukie 63-51. Jake had 19 and was a unanimous selection to the all-tourney team.

Congratulations Jake and the Spartans; now hit the weight room!! Razz

by oldtimer Sat Mar 10, 2012 10:26 pm

DoubleDipper wrote:
oldtimer wrote:There is a long time until the season kicks off again and a lot of things can change but I think it would be a solid lineup with David at the point (if in fact that is his destiny), Tanner and Kevin at the wings, Ryan at the PF, and either Thomas or Barker at the post. 6'3, 6'5", 6'7", and 6'11" is a respectable sized lineup. Thoughts?
Phew! Man did I get schooled; thanks for the rundown. No wonder I spent most of my time on the bench; I was always out of position!!

DD. I hope I didnt come across as offensive, that wasnt my intent at all. I, like you, watch a ton of basketball. In fact I havent left the recliner all week with all the games on TV. Again, like you, enjoy speculating about the topics at hand and hopefully generate some good dialogue to carry us over until next season. I have several WCC teams that I follow and even share thoughts on other message boards. I really didnt mean to come across as a "know it all", the beauty of this game is that its a never ending learning curve.

by ShipstadPilot11 Sat Mar 10, 2012 11:57 pm

oldtimer wrote:
DoubleDipper wrote:
oldtimer wrote:There is a long time until the season kicks off again and a lot of things can change but I think it would be a solid lineup with David at the point (if in fact that is his destiny), Tanner and Kevin at the wings, Ryan at the PF, and either Thomas or Barker at the post. 6'3, 6'5", 6'7", and 6'11" is a respectable sized lineup. Thoughts?
Phew! Man did I get schooled; thanks for the rundown. No wonder I spent most of my time on the bench; I was always out of position!!

DD. I hope I didnt come across as offensive, that wasnt my intent at all. I, like you, watch a ton of basketball. In fact I havent left the recliner all week with all the games on TV. Again, like you, enjoy speculating about the topics at hand and hopefully generate some good dialogue to carry us over until next season. I have several WCC teams that I follow and even share thoughts on other message boards. I really didnt mean to come across as a "know it all", the beauty of this game is that its a never ending learning curve.

I have a strong suspicion that you didn't offend DD. I'd like to thank both of you for your banter. Speculation and conversation are all we have for the coming months and it's nice to read the thoughts of others.

by PurplePrideTrumpet Sun Mar 11, 2012 12:03 am

DoubleDipper wrote:
oldtimer wrote:There is a long time until the season kicks off again and a lot of things can change but I think it would be a solid lineup with David at the point (if in fact that is his destiny), Tanner and Kevin at the wings, Ryan at the PF, and either Thomas or Barker at the post. 6'3, 6'5", 6'7", and 6'11" is a respectable sized lineup. Thoughts?
Phew! Man did I get schooled; thanks for the rundown. No wonder I spent most of my time on the bench; I was always out of position!!

All these years watching basketball and I have no idea how to analyze what's going on out there. I have an idea of what positions they're playing but that's about it. I have a lot of respect for people who know what's up as far strategy goes.

by wrv Sun Mar 11, 2012 8:47 am

My thought about Pilot improvement is not so involved in what position a player, or Ehlers, might be assigned to or the role of various positions, 1 through 4. If a player can shoot and make the three consistently during game action, that player will likely be on the court.

This team was hurt by its inability to consistently shoot from behind the three point line, or at times even from midpoint range, which it needs to open the lane for the bigs, who can help the shooters get outside shots by being offensive minded, and ultimately improve the offense: symbiosis. Regardless of who is playing what, if the three is going in, it seems to me that the offense designed by Reveno is more effective.

Having a strong grasp of the obvious may not always be a vice, though I may be rightly accused of it . . .but it may be that hitting the outside shot is fundamental to the team's fortunes.

The outside shot arguably is, and has been, the best leveler for Reveno and staff; it is hard for us to get bigger and stronger athletes than those at St. Mary's, BYU and Gonzaga.

Welcome Jake Ehlers, two time Oregon 5A state champion and your three point shooting ability and your overall game. It will be interesting to see how he fits in . . .and who else we recruit to address our needs.

Interesting comments throughout.

by onetouchfutbol Sun Mar 11, 2012 5:03 pm

wrv wrote:My thought about Pilot improvement is not so involved in what position a player, or Ehlers, might be assigned to or the role of various positions, 1 through 4. If a player can shoot and make the three consistently during game action, that player will likely be on the court.

This team was hurt by its inability to consistently shoot from behind the three point line, or at times even from midpoint range, which it needs to open the lane for the bigs, who can help the shooters get outside shots by being offensive minded, and ultimately improve the offense: symbiosis. Regardless of who is playing what, if the three is going in, it seems to me that the offense designed by Reveno is more effective.

Having a strong grasp of the obvious may not always be a vice, though I may be rightly accused of it . . .but it may be that hitting the outside shot is fundamental to the team's fortunes.

The outside shot arguably is, and has been, the best leveler for Reveno and staff; it is hard for us to get bigger and stronger athletes than those at St. Mary's, BYU and Gonzaga.

Welcome Jake Ehlers, two time Oregon 5A state champion and your three point shooting ability and your overall game. It will be interesting to see how he fits in . . .and who else we recruit to address our needs.

Interesting comments throughout.

The 3-point shot is a big weapon for all of the mid-major teams. However, we really can't forget that at heart Rev is a big man's coach too. He coached the Lopez twins at Stanford who went on to NBA careers in the years leading up to his time on the bluff. He really got a lot out of our big men on UP right up to this past year as well.

I think that one of the mistakes of this past season was getting away from playing a high basketball IQ style and trusting too much in the athleticism of our young players a little bit too soon. Granted, Rev, might have felt that he had no choice, and some of the players simply didn't grow up as quickly as expected...whether it was realistic to expect it or not.

The big men are going to have to set effective picks for the young guys to get open and hit their 3s... Point guards can avoid turnovers and get some assists, but, they won't be setting as many picks, getting as many rebounds, or doing the dirty work...
I like what Barker will bring back to the team as far as a finesse game goes, but, he won't be able to do it alone and the other guys will have to keep improving too. I still like Nicholas' potential.

by DoubleDipper Sun Mar 11, 2012 6:39 pm

oldtimer wrote:DD. I hope I didnt come across as offensive, that wasnt my intent at all. I, like you, watch a ton of basketball. In fact I havent left the recliner all week with all the games on TV. Again, like you, enjoy speculating about the topics at hand and hopefully generate some good dialogue to carry us over until next season. I have several WCC teams that I follow and even share thoughts on other message boards. I really didnt mean to come across as a "know it all", the beauty of this game is that its a never ending learning curve.

Ha, Ha. Nope, not at all. But I was thinking how much I really enjoyed college basketball, and how much less I would enjoy it if I totally understood all the technical aspects of the game. I just love to see the players put all their effort into being a TEAM and competing!

College basketball is a little like war; there's a helluva lot of planning, but when it comes right down to it, it's whoever has the will and teamwork to best respond to adversity and confusion who will win. Not because of a preplanned strategy, but because of reactions that can only be perfected through hard work, repetitions, great coaching, and the WILL to win! pirat

by DoubleDipper Tue Mar 20, 2012 10:42 am

Tweeted by Rev just a few minutes ago:

Wow. Quick trip to Spain over the weekend for recruiting and back at it today. The 2012 Off-Season is underway and we are rolling!

and........

Pilot Core Values 1)Appreciation for opportunity 2) Burning desire to be the best you can be. 3) Belief in the power of teamwork.